oh wow... I was trying to figure out why everything looked so flat! I thought it was something to do with materials.
I think I understand now... I had started the blade parts of the hilt with boxes and then pulled edges to get the shape I wanted. I didn't think about how the normals would work on the surfaces.
Thanks for fixing that. I just added the same operator to my hilt and I think it is now the look I was actually going for